Hitler vs. Stalin Tonight in Omaha - A Razorback Perspective
First a disclaimer, no, I don't literally mean that Texas invaded Poland in the late 30's, or that LSU held Eastern Europe under an iron fist for a good part of the 20th century. What I do mean to say is that from a Razorback perspective neither one of these baseball teams inspires much love in a Hog's heart. Both LSU and Texas have inflicted enough wounds on us over the years in a range of sports. Enough hurt to make us readily sympathize with Poland, actually.
What we have here are two good baseball teams hitting on all cylinders at the moment. It is hard to believe that one of them is actually going to lose the College World Series Final as early as Tuesday night possibly. Arkansans love to see Texas lose at anything. So you could keep that in mind and conference loyalty in mind as well and pull for Stalin. But ask yourself this, do you really think LSU fans would root for Arkansas if we had knocked them out of Omaha, a place where they expect a national title everytime they arrive, as if it were a birthright? If you still can see those LSU homeruns heading to the outfield and can still hear the ping of the bat, as I painfully still can, then you might be so inclined to see Hitler march on and take the Moscow on the bayou.
So it is a tough situation here. Do you pull for the old rival that goes back decades or the emerging rival that just crossed your border and crushed your tired troops in a 14-5 whoopin? And, yes, I do think LSU is an emerging rival for Arkansas in the SEC. Just ask LSU fans how badly they want to beat us in November in Baton Rouge. And just ask any Arkansas baseball fan how much he or she wants to beat LSU the next time we play them. It will take some more time for the sports hatred to grow, but I think the first steps have been taken by LSU and Arkansas towards that end, the show down in Omaha being one recent step.
My solution for LSU vs. Texas is to just ignore the fact that there is going to be a winner and concentrate on the fact that one of them is going home having lost out, just like the six other teams that arrived in Omaha. If someone asks me who won the College World Series in 2009, I'll just say I don't know. But I can tell you who lost!
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may it be a game full of errors and injuries.
Jacob
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by londonhogfan on Jun 22, 2009 1:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This Texass obsession you have is sick.
As posted elsewhere, you are now in the SEC. The SWC is dead. Leave it there. Maybe the reason no one shows much interest in an Arkansas rivalry is because you still think the Longhorns are the your biggest enemy. Got news for you, they don’t look at it that way. They hardly care.
I can only say that it does not matter who would knock us out, if they are in the SEC, Tiger fans will generally pull for them.
by artiger on Jun 22, 2009 2:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
lsu was never in another conference besides the sec. It’s only natural that we are rivals with Texas because we played them so much in our history (and we would tend to lose).
And honestly no one cares about lsu rivalries either. LSU-Tulane? seriously?
by Razorback1477 on Jun 24, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt Tiger fans “generally” pull for Alabama / Saban.
BTW… Just a few years ago when we played Texas in Austin MANY Texas fans thought of Arkansas as a rival.
by londonhogfan on Jun 22, 2009 3:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Au contraire
Most Tiger fans would indeed pull for Bama/Saban when up against a non-SEC team. I know, you saw him being burned in effigy and such on TV, but that’s when we were head to head, and it is not the majority view in Tigerland. Although we hate that he went to another SEC West team, we are grateful for what he did while he is here (the effects of which we still benefit).
Had it gone the other way in Omaha, we would certainly have been pulling for y’all.
by artiger on Jun 22, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I definitely think of Arkansas as a non-con rival. I really can’t think of a bigger one, in fact. In baseball, sure, Rice is up there now, and Houston could sort of be an historical rival in football, but the only non-conference rivalry of any consequence for UT has to be Ark.
Honestly, I would love to see UT flip the bird at the Big 12 feckers and go indie, and go to playing, at a minimum, Ark, LSU, OU, TAMU, and Houston every season.
by burntorangehorn on Jul 7, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
AWESOME!
and only 5% of Razorback fans didn’t support Houston Nutt.
right…
by londonhogfan on Jun 22, 2009 3:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
artiger is full of it
LSU fans pull for other SEC teams because they need an excuse when they lose to said SEC team or so they can prop their own egos up when they win. Arkansas fans have an obsession with Texas because it’s the way God intended, and we don’t pull for other SEC teams because we’re bitter. All in good fun, of course.
by dxf04 on Jun 22, 2009 4:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Now that's just nonsense.
Listen, if y’all are going to be in the SEC, please learn that all of us, yes even in Tigerland, value conference loyalty. I don’t know which LSU fans you are basing your opinions on, but trust me, it is a minority. Like 5%, london. Maybe I should make a poor generalization, and look at Wally Hall as representing the mainstream Razorback viewpoint.
by artiger on Jun 22, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is artiger really Mike Slive?
Look, I said it was all in good fun. Isn’t hyperbole great? But blind conference loyalty is a naive concept. That’s the kind of crap the PAC-10 pulls. Get over it. It would not have hurt my feelings one bit if LSU had lost to Troy last season. Although, I will say I’m a little pissed at ‘Bama getting steamrolled by the Utes. That just makes the whole conference look bad. Anyhow, I’ll get started on learning about conference loyalty, “if [we’re] going to be in the SEC”. Otherwise, artiger might kick us out.
by dxf04 on Jun 22, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not Slive, just his point man.
Why don’t y’all go join the Big 12? Then that dysfunctional love affair can continue on an annual basis. Would you pull for SEC teams then?
by artiger on Jun 22, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think most Arkansas fans pull for other SEC teams. I’m pulling for LSU even if they were playing someone besides Texas.
by Razorback1477 on Jun 24, 2009 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LSU Fans
Based on my experience at SEC basketball tourneys in the good old days (when the Hogs were good), most LSU fans are like most Arkansas fans. When your team loses, you sell your seats and head home. That said, I am for LSU to kick Texas good. Also, I think the Hogs would have beat Texas had we gotten the chance.
by T-towner on Jun 22, 2009 4:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Loyalty
Speaking as an Arkansas fan, I’m a big believer in conference loyalty. First I root hogs, then, assuming the hogs aren’t playing, I root SEC West, then SEC. (Obviously, there can be exceptions to that, but it would have to be pretty extreme. I mean, even hating Houston Nutt is arguably a questionable reason to wish him to fail, especially considering where he brought us after Danny Ford.) It benefits the hogs to play in the premier conference in whatever sport is in question, especially when we take a piece of the payout. That’s a pretty obvious argument, so I’ll leave it there.
I’m generalizing here, but I tend to dislike LSU fans more than any other in the SEC, but regardless, I’m not going to root against them out of spite. They’ve done a lot to make the SEC a premier conference, a stage on which the football hogs could get on a roll and roll on in to a national championship. With the lack of respect we get, that wouldn’t be true in most other conferences. Also, just be careful what you wish for… imagine a fictional future where SEC teams consistently lose to nonSEC teams… then we’d be in one of those conferences where 10-2 doesn’t mean Orange Bowl, but Banana Bowl. You know, ‘cause that’d be ridiculous.
by Dalla$ on Jun 23, 2009 9:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll give you my honest opinion here
Don’t tell anyone, but I have a hard-to-explain soft spot for LSU (when they’re not playing the Hogs, obviously). I have no such weaknesses when it comes to Texas, so I’m very casually rooting for LSU here…although I really like Kevin’s “focus on the loser” approach the best.
by John Expat on Jun 23, 2009 10:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I am really feeling the love now, after the last few posts.
Seriously, I like the way Dalla$ summed it up. Similarly, Bama and UGA fans bug me, but I’ll bleed their colors when they’re up against a non-SEC foe.
by artiger on Jun 23, 2009 11:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A for the record clarification
Just so Artiger and Mike Slive don’t come knocking on my door with SEC storm troopers at their back, I would like to say that I pull for and I think we all should pull for SEC teams in bowl games, in out of conference football games, in March madness, and if I paid any attention to it in years past, the College World Series. But seeing as the Tigers just spanked the Hogs in the post-season this year and that they are playing Texas, I thought it best as a Hog fan just to focus on there being a loser. There’s no real underdog to root for here, which is what I usually do. Both teams are big players in the world of College baseball. Whichever one loses, that team can still go look at their trophy case and see multiple championship trophies. And as far as rooting against Texas goes, it might not make sense to outsiders, but that is okay, for we don’t need their approval to hate on an old rival. Southerners do have their traditions, you know. And that one is one of ours. You wouldn’t try to stop a cajun from sucking the head of a crawdad would you?
by KevinHog on Jun 23, 2009 12:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually, what do you think the "AR" in artiger stands for?
I remember a lot of the old SWC stuff, I just didn’t turn out to be a Hog. And yes, as a Southerner, I can appreciate the traditions thing. We had a pretty decent rivalry with Ole Miss in the past, one that is about to be refueled with their reemergence. I think that’s a little different, as they are not only SEC, but in the West Division. So as I backtrack, please know you don’t need my approval (for anything), but remember that here in the present, you are part of the SEC, the best damn conference in the nation (ad paid for by the Mike Slive PAC).
by artiger on Jun 23, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I assumed you were a transplant . .
But you grew up in Arkansas and became an LSU fan? Gosh, I didn’t know such a thing was possible, haha. I hear ya. We are in the SEC now, and there isn’t a Razorback fan out there that would trade an SEC title in football for a win over Texas. It is the best football conference in the nation, and we want to put that first conference trophy in the Broyles Complex sooner rather than later. But we can still hate on Texas in the process. No need in giving that tradition up entirely.
by KevinHog on Jun 23, 2009 2:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
SEC Fans
Born, graduated and continuing die hard LSU fan here.
I’ll grant you that I was happy that bama lost to Utah, but that is only because, well, you know…
However. I was at a prominant sports bar in LSU during the first game of Ole Miss Super Regional. I along with hundreds of purple and gold wearing LSU fans chered loudly when Ole Miss pulled it out.
I was at home when Arkansas eliminated Virginia. I was so pulling for Arkansas to win that game. Everyone that I talked to at work the next day said the same thing.
When it is not Saban, we always pull for the SEC. It is a southern pride thing.
When it is Saban, he can have a coke and a smile.
by Gman6809 on Jun 25, 2009 4:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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